Lies Debunked: Theta8808

The intent of your time track is to pull people out of Scientology and into a squirrel group you are going to form.

You pretend to be doing this "for the good" of the Tech. But let's be clear about something at the outset: Scientology cannot be delivered without a strong, capable organizational structure behind it.

Ron was very clear about people who would steer Scientologists away from our Churches. Such people are squirrels. They are unable to learn and apply straight Scientology, so they seek to alter it for their own purposes (and cover their tracks by trying to claim that the Church is altering the Tech). A strong Church organization is the last thing such people want. It would thwart their plans. Thus, they attack the Church and its leaders.

You don't have to believe what I say. Here is what Ron said in Ron's Journal 38, "Today and Tomorrow: The Proof" released on New Year's Eve 1983:

"My earnest advice is: Only deal with or associate with those organizations licensed by RTC and auditors in good standing with the Church; close your ears to false statements made by bad hats and thus really clear the planet."

Your time track takes materials alleged in lawsuits and communicates them as "facts" with no documentation, while ignoring the documentation that refutes them and the results obtained in those cases. You have also claimed things were said in private conversations that never occurred or for which there is no record. Where you have included a few facts, your conclusions about them are off the mark.

Let's turn to a few of your allegations. You claim that the Chairman of the Board RTC acquired RTC's rights to the trademarks through some nefarious means. This allegation was first bandied about in 1982, and failed. LRH himself came forward and affirmed in writing that he had granted his trademarks to RTC. His signature was executed in special dated ink made for the purpose by top government experts, and was accompanied by fingerprints in the same ink. There was no question whatsoever that the handwriting was L. Ron Hubbard's handwriting. On the strength of this evidence, the judge threw the case out. LRH also issued the tape recorded New Year's message affirming his faith in RTC and the senior Scientologists who were managing his affairs.

Then, after LRH passed away, his estate was subject to the scrutiny of the Probate Court in San Luis Obispo. You claim there were 14 challenges to the estate. What you omitted was that they all FAILED. LRH's estate planning passed muster and the estate closed.

Finally in 1997, the subject was raised again by an unethical attorney seeking to make a fast buck. He was thrown out of court in 15 minutes.

You also omitted that LRH filed his tax returns every year and the IRS examined them very closely. They never found anything wrong. And once they were gotten to sit down and examine the documentation of the organization and activities of our Churches, the IRS concluded that the Churches are organized and operated exclusively for charitable, religious purposes, and that no part of the earnings of these Churches benefits any private citizen. Neither you, nor any of your fellow-squirrels, have a clue how intense and exact those IRS examinations were.

In other words, not one single allegation you raise about the organization, financial flows, or control of the Churches of Scientology has any basis in fact. Yet, the documents that the Churches supplied to the government in support of tax exemption are public record.

As to the validity of the copyrights, these have been tested in a number of cases in the United States and abroad. All challenges to them have failed. In fact, the exact allegation you make as to the alleged public domain status of the copyrights was made by Vaughn Young and Jesse Prince in Bridge Publications v. FACTNet. It went nowhere. That case resulted in the defendants stipulating to the entry of a permanent injunction against infringing on L. Ron Hubbard's copyrights, with a one million dollar judgment due and payable if they ever violate the injunction.

It would be silly to get into a point-counterpoint discussion of all 100 pages of your time track. But I do want to ask you something. Did you know that the people helping you compile your data for you and upon whom you are relying Jesse Prince and Stacy Young mostly) have been paid by Robert Minton to lie about Scientology? I'm sure you knew this. I'm equally certain that they are involved in your little endeavor. So that raises a question: Are you being paid by Minton, too?

That was the Scientology organization's official response to the Criminal Time Track document which enumerated much of Scientology's crimes. The Time Track document should be reviewed in some detail if you're interested in the background of Scientology yet also it should be read so that you can see the 99% of the documentation which the organization refused to address outright. It's very telling.

Let's take a look at what the organization did lie about:

• The intent of your time track is to pull people out of Scientology and into a squirrel group you are going to form. -- What the organization means by "squirrel group" is the organization refuses to allow Scientologists to practice Scientology unless thay pay extortionist amounts of money to the criminal organization, thus people who practice Scientology outside of the origanization are "squirrels." In the Criminal Time Track countless examples of the Scientology organization "squirreling" their supposedly inviolate "scriptures" are offered. Here we see the official Scientology spokesperson trying to demand that the reason for pointing out Scientology's criminal history and their alteration of L. Ron Hubbard's writings is some how "squirreling."

• You pretend to be doing this "for the good" of the Tech. But let's be clear about something at the outset: Scientology cannot be delivered without a strong, capable organizational structure behind it. -- Here you have Scientology's management demanding outright that one can't be a Scientologist unless one purchases Scientology from their criminal organization. While that's extortion, it's also not true. Scientologists around the world sccessfully practice Scientology without giving a dime to the criminal enterprise. The Free Zone is a large group of just such people.

• Ron was very clear about people who would steer Scientologists away from our Churches. Such people are squirrels. They are unable to learn and apply straight Scientology, so they seek to alter it for their own purposes (and cover their tracks by trying to claim that the Church is altering the Tech). -- And in fact the Criminal Time Track enumerates endless incidences of where Scientology's management has been altering L. Ron Hubbard's works. Much of the alterations have been done to remove criminal intentions Hubbard had and to remove embarrassing things Hubbard said. For instance, in Secrets one can find one of Hubbard's embarrasing racial slurs removed by the SAcientology organization from Hubbard's journals, thus Scientology is by their own words "squirrels."

• A strong Church organization is the last thing such people want. It would thwart their plans. Thus, they attack the Church and its leaders. -- And by "attack" Scientology means "expose our criminal history and our squirreling."

• Your time track takes materials alleged in lawsuits and communicates them as "facts" with no documentation, while ignoring the documentation that refutes them and the results obtained in those cases. You have also claimed things were said in private conversations that never occurred or for which there is no record. Where you have included a few facts, your conclusions about them are off the mark. -- Except that that's nonsense given the fact that numerous prison terms were handed down for most of the criminal activities enumerated in the Criminal Time Track. And, of course, much of the witness testimony, declarations, depositions, and affidavits were issued by ex-Scientologists who were in the heghest levels of the criminal organization at one time and were in the perfect position to observe and record all the criminal activities they talked about.

• Let's turn to a few of your allegations. You claim that the Chairman of the Board RTC acquired RTC's rights to the trademarks through some nefarious means. This allegation was first bandied about in 1982, and failed. LRH himself came forward and affirmed in writing that he had granted his trademarks to RTC. His signature was executed in special dated ink made for the purpose by top government experts, and was accompanied by fingerprints in the same ink. There was no question whatsoever that the handwriting was L. Ron Hubbard's handwriting. On the strength of this evidence, the judge threw the case out. LRH also issued the tape recorded New Year's message affirming his faith in RTC and the senior Scientologists who were managing his affairs. -- And that's almost complete nonsense, too. Scientology's mad messiah L. Ron Hubbard was hiding out on the lam avoiding federal prosecutors for his part in many of the felonies outlined and described in the Criminal Time Track. Funny how Scientology's official spokesperson "forgot" to mention that. An evaluation of the written statement by the fugitive ringleader and an evaluation of the audio recording were inconclusive and it could not be determined even whether the fugitive ringleader was alive at the time.

• Then, after LRH passed away, his estate was subject to the scrutiny of the Probate Court in San Luis Obispo. You claim there were 14 challenges to the estate. What you omitted was that they all FAILED. LRH's estate planning passed muster and the estate closed. -- Yet the merit of the complaints remained. And in fact Hubbard died while hiding out from Federal agents leaving behind a legacy in the form of an autopsy report which showed that Hubbard had been doped to the gills on illegaly psychotropic drugs.

• Finally in 1997, the subject was raised again by an unethical attorney seeking to make a fast buck. He was thrown out of court in 15 minutes. -- In fact apparently the rightful new owner of the criminal enterprise should have been David Mayo instead of David Miscaviage and it was reportedly only through forged documents and Nazi strongarming that Miscaviage managed to wrest control of the criminal enterprise out of its rightful hands.

• You also omitted that LRH filed his tax returns every year and the IRS examined them very closely. They never found anything wrong. And once they were gotten to sit down and examine the documentation of the organization and activities of our Churches, the IRS concluded that the Churches are organized and operated exclusively for charitable, religious purposes, and that no part of the earnings of these Churches benefits any private citizen. Neither you, nor any of your fellow- squirrels, have a clue how intense and exact those IRS examinations were. -- And that's complete lies. Hubbard was caught with over $200 million dollars in his possession, unclaimed and unexplained. (See Investigative Summary and 2nd Investigative Summary. As covered elsewhere on the Volunteer Ministers web site, the IRS Commissioner was blackmailed into granting the criminal enterprise tax exemption status and the 9'th Circuit Court of Appeals just last month issued an opinion stating the citizens should sue the IRS to acquire full disclosure of the Unconstitutional crime which resulted in the IRS granting Scientology exemption.

• In other words, not one single allegation you raise about the organization, financial flows, or control of the Churches of Scientology has any basis in fact. Yet, the documents that the Churches supplied to the government in support of tax exemption are public record. -- As a matter of fact, no, they are not. Reverend COSVM has been attempting to acquire these "public records" since August of 2002 and has as yet been getting the old run around by both the IRS and the U. S. Treasury even though the Freedom of Information Act requests which were filed were accepted and acknowledged. The IRS can't release that public information because it contains enough evidence to put a number of IRS officials and ex-officials in to prison.

• As to the validity of the copyrights, these have been tested in a number of cases in the United States and abroad. All challenges to them have failed. In fact, the exact allegation you make as to the alleged public domain status of the copyrights was made by Vaughn Young and Jesse Prince in Bridge Publications v. FACTNet. It went nowhere. That case resulted in the defendants stipulating to the entry of a permanent injunction against infringing on L. Ron Hubbard's copyrights, with a one million dollar judgment due and payable if they ever violate the injunction. -- And that's nonsense. Mr. Jessie Prince was officially recognized as the one-time second in command of the entire Scientology criminal enterprise. He described many instances of copyright fraud as well as other crimes he personally engaged in whilez second in command of the Scientology organization. As a result of the civil cases Scientology has brough against many of its one time leaders, judges have struck down Scientology's claims of "trade secrets" to try to keep public domain information from being disseminated publically.

• It would be silly to get into a point-counterpoint discussion of all 100 pages of your time track. But I do want to ask you something. Did you know that the people helping you compile your data for you and upon whom you are relying Jesse Prince and Stacy Young mostly) have been paid by Robert Minton to lie about Scientology? I'm sure you knew this. I'm equally certain that they are involved in your little endeavor. So that raises a question: Are you being paid by Minton, too? -- And here we have the organization expressing its freakishly bizarre paranoid delusions again. Since we have Scientologists -- Mr. Safe and Theta8808 -- enumerating the Scientology organization's crimes and alterations of L. Ron Hubbard's writings, the criminal organization thinks that they must be under the employ of ex-leaders and Human Rights activists. It's amusing to note that Mr. Robert Minton and Stacy Brooks were being explained to remaining Scientology followers as "outwolders" sent to Earth to destroy Scientology.

This document is included on the Volunteer Ministers web site because it shows how Scientology deals with issues brought up by Scientologists. To be brief, they:

• try to lie their way out of the documentary evidence

• ignore 99% of the documented evidence

• demand that questions and issues Scientologists bring up from time to time have been routinely answered in the past and can be discmissed

• try to pretend that Scientologists who ask embarrassing questions or bring up embarrassing issues like Scientology's core basis in crime is part of some world-wide Marcabian conspiracy.

At minimum it's interesting to note for purposes of the Volunteer Ministers web site that Scientologists are not allowed to practice Scientology unless they pay the Scientology organization large amounts of money for the dubious privelage. And here we have the Scientology organization's official spokesperson admitting it publically, calling such people who don't give them money "squirrel groups."

Do real religions behave like this?

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